gold skyrocketed. it protects users from devalued paper currency its producers say. chris wallace is coming up next. >> chris: i'm chris wallace and this is "fox news sunday." house republicans make a pledge to america, telling what they will do if they win back control in november. will the plan help the country? will is help the gop? we'll ask house republican leader john boehner and kevin mccarthy, the document's lead author. then, the house democrats push back. we will get reaction from majority leader steny hoyer.

boehner, mccarthy and hoyer only on "fox news sunday." while president obama talks peace at the u.n., a new book details bitter struggles inside his war cabinet. we will ask our sunday panel about the president's foreign policy. and our power player of the week. a political whiz kid runs the biggest show in town. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. house republicans unveiled this 45-page document thursday that lays out their legislative agenda. the plan calls for smaller and more limited government, repeal of president obama's healthcare reform and cuts in federal spending and extending bush era tax cuts to help create jobs. joining us exclusively today to discuss their plan, house republican leader john boehner and congressman kevin mccarthy who was the driving force behind the ledge.

pledge. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> president obama says it is the worn out philosophy of president bush. you do go back to the bush budget and would extend the bush tax cuts. congressman boehner how does the document show that the gop change the since the last election? >> i think it is clear with what is going on in washington with all the spending and all the debt and all the government takeovers and control what this document says is that we reject that, we want a smaller, less costly and more accountable government and we go through and lay out specifics. whether it is spending. getting jobs going again in america. healthcare. national and border security and the issue of reforming the way congress does its business. >> chris: we will get into the specifics in a moment but congressman mccarthy, a number of conservatives aren't buying this. take a look at what eric erickson of the conservative web site red state had to say about the document. he said it is full of mom tested kid approved pablum that

will mike certain hearts on the right sing of solidarity but it will do nothing but keep making wash fatter until we crash from the sugar high. >> the national review says it is bolder than the contract of '94. "wall street journal" says it will do more to shrink the federal government. there will be attacks on both sides. this isn't a party platform. this is specific legislation that could be taken up right now before we depart that will shrink good morning, take away the uncertainty. d -- are that will shrink government, take away the uncertainty. they don't know what is going happen with the taxes and from regulation. this could rein it all in. washington is spending more time with comedians than debating the future of the economic future. >> chris: let's get specific, why is there no mention of ending ear marks within this document? >> this is a document about now. an agenda that could be enacted

today if the speaker of the house would call it up for a vote and today we have a moratorium on earmarks and i can tell you that if republicans win the majority in november it will not be business as usual here are in congress. >> chris: but the earmark -- let me ask you. can is a one year moratorium. >> it is in place. and why wouldn't the democrats this year join us in a one year moratorium? >> chris: a one year moratorium that ends in march. a number of your top leaders including congressman jerry lewis who likely will be the chairman of the house appropriations committee wants earmarks back. are you willing to pledge if you take over the house, the republicans do, earmarks will be gone forever? >> it will not be business as usual in washington, d.c. >> chris: that is not answering my question,. >> i it will not be. you know me, i never asked for an earmark in the 20 years i have been in congress. >> chris: a lot of your

colleagues have. >> i understand. it will not be business as usual. >> chris: you talk about caughting nondefense discretionary are spending which is only 16% of the federal budget. and you talk about cutting $100 billion from that pot next year which would amount to a 22% cut in those programs. you say you want to cut across the board. according to the the white house that means 200,000 kids kept out of head start. the fbi would cut 2700 agents and the government would detain thousands fewer illegal immigrants. >> for a guy that served on the head start board in my county for ten years i know that is not true. what i'm saying is discretionary spending. let's look at america the last three years. every household has had to cut back. we are saying find 8 cents out of every dollar. do you know what we spend money on? take for instance when you go into transportation increased. every person that buys a

first-class ticket on amtrak for the sleeper car we subsidize that by $364. that is 1.28-dollar $1.28 bill. >> chris: the fact is if you are going do nondefense discretionary spending it is a 22% cut to cut $100 million. >> it has grown by 88% the last three years. it is not that difficult. >> chris: why is there not any specific cuts here? >> it goes down to -- >> chris: nonot for defense it doesn't. >> we show programs where are we show votes on the floor through you cut where we have gotten more than the ability to go through it. what about when we laid out our pledge to that lumber company? no one there has had a raise in two years. even congress when you look at the legislative branch, not the

individuals but the legislative branch has increased by 5%. go back to prestimulus and prebailout numbers and we can live on that and actually find further. >> chris: congressman boehner. i looked through this pledge and there is not one single proposal to cut social security, medicare and medicaid. >> chris, we make it clear in there we will lay out a plan to work toward a balanced budget and to deal with the entitlement crazes. chris, it is time for us as americans to have an adult conversation with each other about the serious challenges our country faces. and we can't have that serious conversation until we lay out the size of the problem. once americans understand how big the problem is, then we can begin to talk about potential solutions. i'm committed to having that adult conversation with the american people because it is important for the future of our

kids and grandkids. >> chris: forgive me, sir,, isn't the right time to have the adult conversation now before the election when you have this document? why not make a single proposal to cut social security, medicare or medicaid. >> this was what happens here in washington. a short time after, i know, i have done this. i continue to do this in a more systematic way and had this conversation first. let's not get to the potential solutions. let's make sure that americans understand how big the problem is. then we can begin to talk about possible solutions and then work ourselves into those solutions that are doable. >> chris: congressman mccarthy, speaker pelosi says the house may or may not vote this week before they go on adjournment on taxes. i know that is one of your big issues. why? >> i think she is afraid. she has 37 democrats in her own party that say they want to extend. they agree with republicans in

the principle that you shouldn't raise taxes in a recession and you could lose 1.2 million jobs in the future to be able to grow. the democrats failed to lead on this. they will want to leave the house without dealing with it. that uncertainty itself is keeping capital on the sidelines and stopping jobs from being created in america. >> the american people are asking the question where are the jobs and if we leave here and adjourn for the election without preventing these tax increases on the american people, it will be the most irresponsible thin thing that e seen since i have been in washington, d.c. and i have been here awhile. a speaker ought to promise a fair and open debate on making sure that we extend all of the current tax rates, end the uncertainty and get our economy going again. except that it sounds like they will just pump the ball until a lame duck session and allow the uncertainty to continue and economy going throw and no jobs being created. >> chris: if there is a vote

this week, you say you want a vote. and if the choice is just whether or not to extend the middle class tax cuts, how will you vote? >> i made it clear i'm for extending all of the current tax rates. if we want to end the uncertainty and get the economy going again and create jobs in america we have to eliminate all of this. i also said the speaker ought to have a fair and open debate and if she is not willing to have a fair and open debate she should not count on our votes. >> she took the pledge we will have an open debate and we will have the country moving in the right direction. >> chris: i want to address it again with you. if they bring up a vote extend the tax cuts for the middle class or not, vote yay or nay? >> i want a fair and open debate so we can extend all of the current tax rates and if the speaker will offer and allow a fair and open debate i'm confident there is a bipartisan majority in the congress today to extend all of

the tax rates. >> chris: what is wrong with the idea of coming back with a lame duck session after the election? >> the american people are asking where are the jobs. we don't have jobs because of all of the uncertainty coming out of this administration and this congress. the congress has an opportunity this week to end some of the uncertainty by allowing the american people to know what the tax rates are going to be at the end of the year and to adjourn without dealing with this means that in their minds the elections are more important than the jobs for the american people and it is just politics as usual. >> it cost us 7 billion more dollars because they want to wait and how many more jobs does it cost to continue the uncertainty out of what is going to happen? how can someone plan to make the investment to create a new job if they don't know what the tax rate is going to be. >> they have time to bring a comedian to washington, d.c. but don't have time to eliminate the uncertainty by extending all of the tax rates i think that is irresponsible.

>> chris: congressman boehner will the gop win back the house in november or have you peaked too early? >> our goal is to bring back the majority to renew efforts to drive for a smaller less costly, more accountable government here in washington, d.c. it is an uphill plan but it is possible and we are are working to do it. >> chris: you realize that the political class and we are a bunch of dopes but we will say if you don't win back the house this is a defeat even if you pick up 30 seats. >> i understand a lot of expectations have been set. there are more than 1-races going on in america -- more than 100 races going on in america that are in play. all but do are held by incumbent democrats around the country. >> chris: if you u do become the next speaker there are some younger republicans and some tea parties who say you are too old school and that you, john boehner will not shake up, washington. >> i come from a family of 12. my dad owned a tavern.

i have two brothers laid off in this recession and two brother in laws. i get it. i understand what ising. >> on in america and i believe that i have the support of my colleagues, current and future. >> chris: what would you do to shake up washington? i mean i understand this but what are we to believe about speaker boehner? how would you run things? >> i can tell you this. i think it is time for a fair and open process in the congress. today you have a handful of people who decide the outcome of almost any bill. even though 435 serve in the house each of us representing roughly 650,000 people. i think every member ought to have the opportunity to represent his con at this tim wents, democrats and republicans and that means a fair and open process in the house, unlike anything that i have seen in the 20 years i have been here. >> chris: would you, i know we are getting ahead of the course here. on the other hand the voter dos need, i think they probably

want to know how you would run things and what kind of house it would be with speaker boehner. >> i think the american people want us to find a way to address the concerns that face the american people every day. this is not about democrats or republicans or about politics. it is about meeting the needs of the american people who sent us here to do their bidding. >> chris: and can you give me areas, obviously you have your agenda and you would like them to adopt it. probably not. can you see compromise between the president at one end and speaker boehner at the other end? >> to is extent we can find common ground, i would w

>> chris: joining us is house democratic leader steny hoyer. congressman, we'll be right back to "fox news sunday." >> good to be with you, chris, thanks a lot. >> chris: republicans have the pledge and we will get into that. democrats have the record over the last two years controlling both the white house and both houses of congress. the federal deficit this year will be $1.3 trillion. since president obama took office, 3.2 million americans lost their jobs. and despite democrats adding almost $3 trillion to the national debt the last two years gdp growth is just 1.6%.

congressman, that is your record. >> that is the record and it is better than we inherited. we inherited four quarters of declining growth about 12% declining growth over the previous four quarters including the first quarter of '09 which i think is correct to attribute to the bush administration and we brought it out and we are gaining jobs. almost 700,000 jobs this month -- this year alone. clearly the deficit is a terrific problem that we have got to face. why did we have that deficit? about 90% of it comes directly from the economic recession. the bush policies that were not paid for. the two wars. >> chris: unemployment has gone up since you guys came into office by 3 million people. >> we lost 3.8 million the year before we got into office. we were in a deep hole and in fact, of course, jobs went -- unemployment went up 83% under the bush administration and has

gone up 26% under the obama administration. yes, but we have gone into positive numbers. >> chris: tell that to 15 million people out of work, sir. >> and it is a real problem and we have been passing bill after bill, just passed one this last week to expand small businesses to give small businesses a tax cut and put $30 billion on the table leveraging the $300 billion to grow jobs, to expand jobs and we it is ad a tax bill through the house which said we are not going to outsource jobs that unfortunately every republican voted against. >> chris: briefly, here is the pledge to america. i will give you a minute and a half. what is wrong with it? >> well, the pledge to america is more spin than specifics. i can't say anything as harsh about the pledge for america which is really no pledge at all than the republican opponents have said and conservatives have said and tea party member members have said. the club for growth said it was

milktose and the people who wrote it weren't prepared to leave. >> chris: they want to go in the other direction. >> the point is we are pursuing a program which is getting our country back to work, creating manufacturing jobs where we lost manufacturing jobs under the bush administration and has a plan to get the budget under control. we adopt a pay -- the republicans passed programs and didn't pay for them. in this document, they don't want to pay for them either. in fact, in this document they want to create another $4 trillion in debt and they say the way they will solve the deficit problem is to cut nondefense, nonsecurity discretionary spending. they wouldste have to cut betwn two thirds and 80% of all discretionary spending over the next ten years. >> chris: i think it is more like 22%. >> i don't think so. >> chris: for the $100 billion in the first year. let's move on to another issue, taxes.

>> yes. >> simple question. will the house hold a vote this week before you adjourn for a month of ca campaigning, a vote this week on whether or to extend the bush tax cuts? >> i doubt we will and i will tell you why. we have some 400 bills pending in the senate, 75% of which have gotten 50 republican votes or more so they can't move through the senate so it with be a specious act. democrats have emergencied and will make that are the republican increase in middle income taxes will not go into effect. the republican bill that phased out this year. >> chris: you are calling the republican -- you are calling the bush tax cuts an increase in taxes on the middle class? >> the the budget ended in 2010. that that is we we this confronting us. they played budget games for scoring purposes and, yes, it is the republican plan to eliminate the tax -- >> chris: you have a majority,

why not pass the extension of the middle class tax cuts before you go home to campaign for a month. >> the senate decided they odd don't it. >> chris: that is the senate, you are in the house. >> it would be a specious act for us. what is not a specious act is we have guaranteed there will be no increase in middle income taxes. the president said that and speaker and i have said that. harrharry reid and dick durbind that. >> chris: here is the point. the democrats held a big majority in the house and senate for almost two years. at any time a serious fail your by democrats in the house and the senate that you haven't told the american people that what is going to happen their taxes on income, on dividends, on capital gains and on inheritance and it is coming up three months away. is that any way to add certainty and confidence.

>> it is not. and that is largely due to the obstructionism in the united states senate by the republicans who have just enough. >> chris: you a majority for more than a year and the fact is the democrats in the senate you haven't even written a bill in a house. >> we passed a capital gains bill more than a year ago. >> chris: i'm talking about extending the bush tax cuts. >> they are part of the bush tax cuts. we are extending the estate tax at what it had been. that would have given certainty. it is unfortunate we weren't able to get it through the senate because the republican on truckionism. they want to eliminate the capital gains because they are focused on the 1% or 2% of the richest people in america. that is what we are confronted with on taxes. they want to cut taxes on the wealthiest in america and we

want to make sure that middle americans don't have a tax increase and the obstructionism in the senate has not allowed us to move forward. ha is unfortunate because we need certainty. >> chris: if your party are loses control of the house will you promise not to hold a lame duck session of the congress? >> that would be an irrational promise to make because we are not going to complete the appropriations. >> chris: you could have passed all these things. >> we could have. we need to come back to make sure that we conclude that process as, frankly, republicans did when they were in charge. >> chris: do you think it is right to have members of congress who. >> ist lost, i'm talking about a scenario where the house goes to the republicans, where the members of congress who just lost come back and decide taxes and spending against the will of the americans who have just voted. >> i don't think we will make any decisions against the will of the american public, frankly, chris.

that is your assumption. >> chris: i'm presenting a scenario. >> i think it is absolutely correct and under both party's leadership members of congress are elected for 24 months. not for 21 months or 22 months, for 2th months and they will sin -- for 24 months and they will continue their responsibility to the end of their term. >> chris: even if republicans gain control of the house and one of the clear messages is we don't want to raise taxes on any one it is okay for the democrats to compaq bac come cn a lame duck session and vote? >> i think it is oh day. they will make a policy judgment. as a matter of fact,. >> chris: , there is no confusion where the dem -- there is no confusion on where the democrats stand on this issue. the president made it very clear. i made it very clear. the leadership made it very clear. we are for making sure that the middle class americans do not get a tax increase and we will make sure are that happens.

we also made it clear that cutting taxes on the wealthiest in america will simply exacerbate the deficit without any assistance to the economy. >> chris: less than a minute left and i want to ask you two questions, if i may, sir. when napolitan nancy pelosi bee speaker she promised to drain the swamp. charlie rangel and maxine waters have both been charged with violating rules. question, whether the ethics committee hold the trials before the election or not? >> that is up to them. >> chris: they haven't scheduled. >> because of their own scheduling problems. let me say that, charlie. >> chris: i'm chris. charlie rangele. >> the ethics process is work. the fact of the matter is unlike other republicans we haven't fired the chairman of the ethics committee because they went after somebody in the

democratic party and we haven't removed any members from the ethics committee. the ethics process is working. >> you are not committing that they will have the trials that they sought before voters have to vote on waters and range until november. >> i think that needs to be resolved as quickly as possible. obviously the members of the ethics committee have to make that determination and they have their own issues to deal with in their own election. >> chris: on friday, comedian stephen colbert testified before a congressional committee in his fake comedic character. at a time when the country faces real problems, sir,, was this an embarrassment for the house? >> i think his testimony was not appropriate. i think it was an embarrassment for mr. colbert more than the house. he was. >> chris: he was called by the democratic chairman of the subcommittee. >> you asked me he whether the testimony was appropriate and i think it was not appropriate. >> chris: and he should not have been called? >> what he had to say i think

was not the way it should have been said. if he had a position on the issues he should have given those issues and i think -- that is my personal opinion. >> chris: you regret it? >> i think it was inappropriate. can i say something, go back to the pledge because. >> chris: 30 seconds. >> the american public heard from the young guns. it turned out to be a pop gun. turned out to be spin, not substance, not specifics. it turned out to be a return to the failed bush policies which demonstrably got us into a deep hole. the american public two economic prell issues. one we pursued wigraine us the best economy we have seen in yours and my life sometime in the 90s or the worst economy we have seen in the 2000s. >> chris: congressman hoyer, thanks so much for coming in. with 37 days left to the elections it will be quite a rush to the

the door remains open to diplomacy should iran choose to walk through it. it was offensive. it was hateful. for him to make a statement like that was inexcusable chris president obama at the u.n. reaching out once again to iran but then having to react to president ahmadinejad's suggestion that our governments behind 9/11. it is time for the sunday group. brit hume, fox news senior political analyst. and contributors mara liasson of national public radio, bill kristol of the weekly standard and juan williams also from national public radio.

after comment about it being an inside job. the president calling the remarks hateful and yet the president still talks about diplomacy with iran. why is it that mr. obama refuses to take no for an answer from the iranians? >> it is hard to imagine that he hasn't gotten the message. it is really kind of sad and worry some that he can't see that this guy is a crude little thug that there is no point in having a negotiation with because you probably can't trust anything he says or agrees to. he is a totally mercurial and changes from one day to the next on things he says but tends towards saying outrageous and, yes, indeed, even dilutional thing. there is no endcation that the mull las who run the country behind the scenes are dissatisfied with him. the public in the country may be dissatisfied with him but the president has done nothing to encourage that.

it as foolish behavior on the president's part. >> i don't think he is legitimatizing him. i think the white house would agree with you. saying that the door is still open is not the same thing assaying we are going to drop the sanctions right away and start talking to you. it is almost like a diplomatic nicety to say eventually if you wanted to change your stance on this we will talk to you. meantime, sanctions are going forward. i don't know how much they will accomplish but he hasn't dropped that. i think the fact that so many diplomats walked out as they should have when ahmadinejad displayed the crackpot theories about 9/11 was, correct. i don't see any change in u.s. policy towards iran. >> chris: u.s. officials think maybe the latest round of sanctions is beginning to work and affect iran and its economy and perhaps the iranians may finally be able to negotiate

about the nuclear program. do you see any sign of that? >> no, though i wouldn't be surprised if the iranian regime does a phone any fake towards negotiations to buy more time. they are buying time for the nuclear program to go ahead. it has been going ahead. i think the reason the president doesn't want to talk about the ream implications of having a dilutional and hateful iranian regime in power is is that if sanctions fail we will have to use force. i'm open to the notion that heel end up using force against iran. there is no point in signaling that now. the more you put force on the table the more you might encourage those in iran to say wait a second, we are heading towards the precipice. he keeps the door open for negotiations. look at the way this is playing out. it is playing out towards the use of force against iran i think. >> chris: juan? >> i think ahmadinejad's statements at the united nations are evidence of the trouble he is having at home. i think the mullahs and

ayatollahs are more conservative than he is. and hard to imagine from our perspective as americans, in fact, i think ahmadinejad is trying to play populist politics at home. i think the captions hav sanctd effect already. the elites who are the heart and soul of opposition to this tyrannical government that is there. if you go to up of the muslim world, industry yea indonesia,y believe that the u.s. had some role in 9/11. he is trying to make himself somehow a hero to those people. if you take into account the fact that the british said they were about to celebrate the idea that the iranians were returning to the table. it wasn't just president obama. >> chris: president obama on another subject shifted

something of the the focus of the foreign policy on his speech at the u.n. talking more about the importance of human rights and democracy and sounding more like president bush. let's watch. >> part of the price for our own freedom is standing up for the freedom of others. that belief will guide america's leadership in this 21st century. >> chris: brit, do you think that is rhetoric or see a mid course president and talking more as president bush did about pursuing a democracy agenda. >> freedom agenda as president bush called it. one way you could stand up for freedom would be when people are seeking to be free as in iran, to cite a specific example they are in the streets asking for it and he says nothing as the regime moves in

on them. he has some tests to pass before anybody could seriously say this man has adopted a freedom of democracy agenda. >> chris: i wondered in fact why the president in response to ahmadinejad's comments about the possibility it was an inside job at 9/11 didn't say no, we are not the on ones who slaughter our own people in the streets, you are the ones. >> there is an opening and they didn't take it. >> chris: well, they don't take our advice. legendary reporter bob woodward a new book out in which he quotes the president as acing "we can absorb a bomb acing tack. he was pressingfor an exit strategy that in he decided to send 30,000 more troops to afghanistan. i haven't read the book, i have only read the accounts of it. the president's apparent

ambivalence here. >> he didn't want to be in afghanistan forever. he didn't want to be stuck in a quagmire. on the other hand when went through the long method achal and deliberative process and i think he comes off as thoughtful and serious in the book. he agrees that a surge was -- how long is goes on remains to be seen. general petraeus is quoted assaying he believes we will be there for a long time. for the rest of our lives and probably our kids' lives. that might end up being what it is. not at the numbers we are in afghanistan now but it might be some kind of a korea situation. i don't think the president has closed that off. yes, all of his ambivalence which i think is true is reflected. >> chris: we have 30 seconds left. bill, your thoughts. >> when you are fighting a war you should fight the war full out to achieve your goals. you shouldn't hamper your

military by giving them a deadline. having said that, i think success is attainable and hope the president decides we should win

this president and this congress has put this nation on the road to bankruptcy and they are pressing down on the accelerateor. it is time to press on the brake and put us back on the

road to recovery and opportunity. >> chris: texas republican congressman jeb hensear ling delivering the new message in the ledge to america. house republicans came out this week, here i have it, the slick 45-page document, pledge to america. there is a of disagreement even among conservatives. >> we have to take seriously the nation's debt. and we have to add some substance to the fact that republicans are very popular but able to say no to president obama but what do republicans believe? they need to put some meat on the bones. i was looking forward to this very much but i think it is like, you know, saying to the children, you know what, let's all take a pledge, everybody can have lollipops for break fast. there is nothing here about serious issues. how do you deal with entitlement spending in the country?

nothing there. says let's not have a stimulus. we don't believe in the stimulus. we don't believe in healthcare reform. allow the tax cuts to take place but even with the tax cuts it doesn't say how are we going to pay for the tax cuts? that is why you see criticism and why you see president obama obama and speaker pelosi saying back to the future. go back to the old republican agenda, there is nothing new here. >> chris: you have led me to exactly the question i have been waiting to ask bill kristol. you said they need to do something bold and take stands, controversial stands. the country is ready for it. is this bold? >> it is the step on the way to boldness. seriously. if a power drunk inebriated big loving democratic party is driving the country off the cliff the first response is to put on the brakes. go back to the 2008 levels of discretionary spending. that is a big cut.

>> chris: nothing about ear marks or entitlements. >> there won't be earmarks next year. if the republicans take the house there will be such sentiment of a tea party that they will not do ear marks. they will lay down the budget on april 1, 2011 that will address ent& got and it got negative pushback from the tea party blogosphere shows you not that the republicans have anything to worry about i think within

november because the tea party is well within the republican intent and pushing it forward. afterwards if they don't govern in a way that they are emboldened energized grass roots want them to theyville a lot of problems. i don't think we have seen a time when a party that is this unpopular is poised to make such big gains in congress and there is a lot of warnings in that. >> chris: brit, twine ask you a version of what i asked bill. do you think this pledge to america is serious? >> i think it is serious. it is just small. it isn't really serious. this issue of this entitlement tsunami of unfunded liabilities which is staggering and would bring the economy to its knees in we went on as we are, is the great economic issue of our time. the recession will in the fullness of time, the effects of it will subside but that

thing is sitting out there ready to land on us in a crushing way. the public i think is more tuned to this and aware of this than ever before. younger people, you ask them about what they think they are get out of social security or medicare and they don't expect to get a dime. people are ready for this. people on social security are grandfathered in with their benefits in any serious proposal made. the republicans have come up short here and they may be behind the curve. the republicans may be, too, to the extent this is not a strong enough document and i think the public would absorb and accept and get behind. >> chris: for all the hype about the pledge i'm not sure that it was the most interesting political moment this week and for that i want to go back to the town hall meeting the c nbc town hall meeting with president obama where a woman, a professional who voted for barack obama two years ago talked about her

frustration. let's watch. i have been told that i voted for a man who said he was going to change things in a meaningful way for the middle class. i'm one of those people and i'm waiting, sir. i'm waiting. i don't feel it yet. >> the president smiled but he liked like he wanted to be anywhere in the world except on that stool hearing from that woman. >> he had a moment and he could have responded with energy. the white house spin has been the president is not isolated, he goes out and hears these things. >> chris: i think he wished he had been a little more isolate. >> here is a black american woman speaking from the heart. she was no plant and that came from the left wing is she was a plant. she is no plant. velma hart is a real person who says she supported president obama and still wants him to succeed but it disappointed. is legitimate. here she is saying to him you better get up and fight and stop asking other people to do your battles for you. the republicans dominate the narrative on the economy.

americans say they pitched the healthcare package had done more to help them. >> chris: i think she said your policies aren't affecting our lives and we are going to end up eating franks and beans. >> i think she said you are not out there fighting for yourself and things aren't changing as quickly as i had hoped but you are not telling us why things are getting better. >> number one, she hasn't felt enough change. i think that is true of the vast majority of voters but one thing you can do if there hasn't been enough change you can convince people like her you are trying as hard as you can so they won't be so frustrated with you. >> chris: i don't think it is trying. i think it is results. >> you have to show that you are trying. >> -9d 0% of black america supports him. >> the problem in the election is that obama didn't try hard enough to enact his agenda? the problem is it was the wrong

agenda. the public wanted something done about the economy. that was job one and job two and down to job ten. he allowed congress to enact this whopping stimulus bill which was unfocused and promiss cue with us in its spending that manifestly failed to end the recession which ended in june of 2009 and b to get the unemployment rate down. having passd that measure he moved on to the gigantic healthcare reform which was nobody in america's major priority and then he spent a year on that. >> that gets us to the one thing that congress didn't do. it did not cut people's taxes. rather, it did not stop the tax one that goes into effect ob january 1. that is a huge problem. they have controlled congress. they control the presidency. they knew taxes were due to go up in january of 2011. they are sending members home without fixing the tax problem. >> let me say brit it t. has retuesdayed what would have

been a 16% unemployment rate according to republicans. >> chris: thank you, basketball. see you next week. check out the latest edition of panel plus where the group will pick up this discussion at this moment.ñ÷

>> chris: most of the attention is focused on which party will control congress there are 37 other races that could be even more important and at the center of that action is our power player of the week. >> it surprises me how governors in this town are so overlooked. people are focused on the house and senate races and focused on the presidential race. >> nick has changed all that in four years in washington. 28-year-old political whiz kid is director of the republican governors, so. >> the motion is adopted. >> and for all the talk about the gop taking back congress, he has built the rga into the biggest political committee in town.

>> it shows the american people that our party's ideas and principles actually work. we have to be doing that at the state level where government is closest to families where it can be felt the most. >> ayers pitch is that federal change starts at the state level not just in politics. governors will help determine redistricting nextyear and had play a key role in the presidential campaign. >> david axelrod will have a tough time if we have more than 30 republican governors which is our plan to do. >> at the end of june they had more than $40 million cash on hand. >> a million here. >> the republican national committee which has financial irregularities had less than $10 million. >> we don't want to run the rga like a political committee. we want a return on investment and make case to the donors this

is the place to send your contributions because we're going to treat it like investment. >> last november, republicans won in new jersey and virginia. this fall, ayers is targeting swing states like wisconsin and florida hoping to boost the number of gop governors from the current 24. >> by at age ten, were you a staunch republican. >> ayers has always been in a hurry. back in 1992 he tried to persuade his mother not to vote for bill clinton. >> i always believed in individual responsibility. >> at age ten you thought that? >> yeah. i always worked summer jobs. i wanted to buy my own clothes, by own baseball cards. >> he quit college as a 19-year-old freshman to help sonny purchase due the first republican georgian. he plans to leave rga after

november. he will be one of hottest republican contenders. has anybody approached you. >> we're focused on 2010. we're going to make a huge difference. the idea is that the rga put ourselves in position to impact who they are going to be deciding on election day is a wonderful opportunity. >> chris: as we said there are now 24 republican governors and ayers hopes to boost that to 30 but the record for the gop is 33 governors and you get the feeling that nick ayers has his eye on that. program note, next sunday we will be in the first sunday show of the fall campaign. rand paul and jack conway. that is it for today. have a great, and we'll see you next fox newssu